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		<title>Comment on Strategic Vision by Peter Bennett</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/11/02/strategic-vision/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi William.

Excellent Entry ... I was chatting to a mate yesterday. He came up with a very good idea. It fits with the efforts you are putting into the waste free WA project. You may like to pass it on or freely share. Here goes: What if instead of wasting money on speeding, parking and other traffic fines we just issued community work orders and get offenders to work on the roads.  We could issue two types of work to be done. First a certain number hours AND/OR kilograms of roadside litter collection to be done within a prescribed time and delivered to a local recycling plant by hand. Second a certain number of native trees, grasses or wildflowers to be planted along roadsides AND/OR a number of hours to be spent tending road side gardens with a prescribed time. The seedlings could be provided by APACE or similar community based native nurseries. Where offenders fail to perform work orders well or in the prescribed time their driver’s licences could be suspended or voluntarily yielded until they conform to community satisfaction.

This idea could see a greater respect for:

a.	the social environments that are our roads;
b.	the natural environments that are our roadsides; and
c.	the economic environment that tries to support the two without waste.

It would also cut a lot of waste in things like printing fines and collecting money that could go to reducing waste in other ways. Plus the sight of remorseful community workers making amends for bad driving habits would be a real Road-Side Attraction! Sweet Justice for us all. I trust you see the promise in the idea.

See you later today.

Yours in excellence
pad Bennett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi William.</p>
<p>Excellent Entry &#8230; I was chatting to a mate yesterday. He came up with a very good idea. It fits with the efforts you are putting into the waste free WA project. You may like to pass it on or freely share. Here goes: What if instead of wasting money on speeding, parking and other traffic fines we just issued community work orders and get offenders to work on the roads.  We could issue two types of work to be done. First a certain number hours AND/OR kilograms of roadside litter collection to be done within a prescribed time and delivered to a local recycling plant by hand. Second a certain number of native trees, grasses or wildflowers to be planted along roadsides AND/OR a number of hours to be spent tending road side gardens with a prescribed time. The seedlings could be provided by APACE or similar community based native nurseries. Where offenders fail to perform work orders well or in the prescribed time their driver’s licences could be suspended or voluntarily yielded until they conform to community satisfaction.</p>
<p>This idea could see a greater respect for:</p>
<p>a.	the social environments that are our roads;<br />
b.	the natural environments that are our roadsides; and<br />
c.	the economic environment that tries to support the two without waste.</p>
<p>It would also cut a lot of waste in things like printing fines and collecting money that could go to reducing waste in other ways. Plus the sight of remorseful community workers making amends for bad driving habits would be a real Road-Side Attraction! Sweet Justice for us all. I trust you see the promise in the idea.</p>
<p>See you later today.</p>
<p>Yours in excellence<br />
pad Bennett</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crazy People by Libby Davy</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/09/15/crazy-people/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Libby Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm  loving it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m  loving it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Growth Lifecycles by Wendy Campbell</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/09/20/lifecycles/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, Will, the wisdom that you offer is absolutely "spot on". Thank you.

Blessings
Wendy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, Will, the wisdom that you offer is absolutely &#8220;spot on&#8221;. Thank you.</p>
<p>Blessings<br />
Wendy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Leadership Journeys by emrgnc</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/08/08/leadership-journeys/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>emrgnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is affirmed in the echoes of the older Confucian traditions of leadership in 'The Great Learning' noted by Peter Senge in the book 'Presence: Human Purpose and the Field of the Future' where he quotes Master Nan Huai Chin - "If you want to be a leader, you have to be a real human being... and if you want to be  a great leader you have to enter the seven meditative spaces" (p186)

Those seven spaces are: awareness, stopping, calmness, stillness, peace, true thinking and attainment.

However to know what those words truly mean - you need to have already attained those spaces. ;-)

When we let go of our concept of leadership and cultivate leaders we will find the future emerges from the group, rather than the group needing to wait for a future leader to emerge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is affirmed in the echoes of the older Confucian traditions of leadership in &#8216;The Great Learning&#8217; noted by Peter Senge in the book &#8216;Presence: Human Purpose and the Field of the Future&#8217; where he quotes Master Nan Huai Chin - &#8220;If you want to be a leader, you have to be a real human being&#8230; and if you want to be  a great leader you have to enter the seven meditative spaces&#8221; (p186)</p>
<p>Those seven spaces are: awareness, stopping, calmness, stillness, peace, true thinking and attainment.</p>
<p>However to know what those words truly mean - you need to have already attained those spaces. <img src='http://fcg.com.au/insights/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When we let go of our concept of leadership and cultivate leaders we will find the future emerges from the group, rather than the group needing to wait for a future leader to emerge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Review: The Corporation by emrgnc</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/07/13/movie-review-the-corporation/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>emrgnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not comment on the role of advisers and actuaries in this latest saga and whether what was done was lawful (or at least not criminal) - but witness the social death of James Hardie Industries.

A once proud family of Australian corporate life. Would you want your name there?

The consciousness that made such a decision is beyond ignorant in a world that is more aware than they.

Watch the others follow as 'survivng-well' ICONs struggle to know what they cannot see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not comment on the role of advisers and actuaries in this latest saga and whether what was done was lawful (or at least not criminal) - but witness the social death of James Hardie Industries.</p>
<p>A once proud family of Australian corporate life. Would you want your name there?</p>
<p>The consciousness that made such a decision is beyond ignorant in a world that is more aware than they.</p>
<p>Watch the others follow as &#8217;survivng-well&#8217; ICONs struggle to know what they cannot see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Movie Review: The Corporation by emrgnc</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/07/13/movie-review-the-corporation/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>emrgnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing The Corporation for the second time last night I again was struck how at risk we are in the genetic engineering arena. What happened with petrochecmicals will again happen with genetics - we will make it because we can. Just reading Richard Slaughter's book 'Futures Beyond Dystopia' I am reminded what happens when our consciousness (UL) for understanding is diminished in comparison with our technological ability (UR/LR) to act and how this affects our future healthy emergence. 

In this diminished capacity state, we as moral, kind and thoughtful human beings are capable of great atrocity. In failing to recognizing that human nature is not fixed and consciousness is stratified we will continue to amaze ourselves at what we can allow ourselves to do, and not understand how movies like The Corporation cannot reach those who it is about, but can only hope to inspire action from those who already understand.

The only question is will the action by those who can see be conscious, moral and respectful of emergence or will it be equally pathological and fearful out of a failure to understand the bigger picture, inspired by preceived crisis.

There are at least two paths we can go down - I am sure the collective 'We' will attempt to choose both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing The Corporation for the second time last night I again was struck how at risk we are in the genetic engineering arena. What happened with petrochecmicals will again happen with genetics - we will make it because we can. Just reading Richard Slaughter&#8217;s book &#8216;Futures Beyond Dystopia&#8217; I am reminded what happens when our consciousness (UL) for understanding is diminished in comparison with our technological ability (UR/LR) to act and how this affects our future healthy emergence. </p>
<p>In this diminished capacity state, we as moral, kind and thoughtful human beings are capable of great atrocity. In failing to recognizing that human nature is not fixed and consciousness is stratified we will continue to amaze ourselves at what we can allow ourselves to do, and not understand how movies like The Corporation cannot reach those who it is about, but can only hope to inspire action from those who already understand.</p>
<p>The only question is will the action by those who can see be conscious, moral and respectful of emergence or will it be equally pathological and fearful out of a failure to understand the bigger picture, inspired by preceived crisis.</p>
<p>There are at least two paths we can go down - I am sure the collective &#8216;We&#8217; will attempt to choose both.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Integral Strategy by Peter Bennett</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/09/05/integral-strategy/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pondering the combined posting, articles and consequent commentary I feel a need to rise below Maslow and throw the whole thing into n-dimensional space.  

In this space hierarchy, pyramids and all the other efforts of collapsing in (integration) or collapsing out (differentiation) become non-sensical and mere whimsy ... the point of focus becomes the fusion of our old favourite paradox best represented by the Mobius Loop as the half way point.  

In Mobius' famous paper strip we have both zero and infinty represented in one tangible form ... everything in between exists --- the stratified layers, which we seem to be compulsed to know, colour-code, make cartesian and sequence, are just the ocular reaction to our drive to seek clarity ... yet lucidity (in we reach clarity, wisdom and expression at the same instance)is only found in freefall when we manage (somehow) to let got of numeric dimension and enter n-space.

To get there ... simply listen for the sound of no hands clapping (I have a simple demonstration of this sound for anyone who is interested) ... it happens when the complex and lucid cross ... after which I wrote a poem (now lost)when my eyesight vanished in 1987.  

I am sure it will show up one day.

Excellent reading from William, Elliot et al.

Thanks  PAD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pondering the combined posting, articles and consequent commentary I feel a need to rise below Maslow and throw the whole thing into n-dimensional space.  </p>
<p>In this space hierarchy, pyramids and all the other efforts of collapsing in (integration) or collapsing out (differentiation) become non-sensical and mere whimsy &#8230; the point of focus becomes the fusion of our old favourite paradox best represented by the Mobius Loop as the half way point.  </p>
<p>In Mobius&#8217; famous paper strip we have both zero and infinty represented in one tangible form &#8230; everything in between exists &#8212; the stratified layers, which we seem to be compulsed to know, colour-code, make cartesian and sequence, are just the ocular reaction to our drive to seek clarity &#8230; yet lucidity (in we reach clarity, wisdom and expression at the same instance)is only found in freefall when we manage (somehow) to let got of numeric dimension and enter n-space.</p>
<p>To get there &#8230; simply listen for the sound of no hands clapping (I have a simple demonstration of this sound for anyone who is interested) &#8230; it happens when the complex and lucid cross &#8230; after which I wrote a poem (now lost)when my eyesight vanished in 1987.  </p>
<p>I am sure it will show up one day.</p>
<p>Excellent reading from William, Elliot et al.</p>
<p>Thanks  PAD</p>
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		<title>Comment on Integral Strategy by William Varey</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/09/05/integral-strategy/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>William Varey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graves' work on which the NVC article is based comes from a twenty plus year research project, which I understand initially began by examining Maslow's principles. Graves' original hypothesis, which would have validated Maslow, did not seem to emerge from the data as expected, and as contemporaries they discussed this. There are some distinct differences, mostly that Graves' model is not a pyramid, but an open and expanding system, possibly containing each of the Maslowian needs at each level. Also Graves' work is limited to 'adult' biopsychosocial systems - and while it reflects the childhood developmentalist models (Piaget), its not meant to overlap - which is what makes it so interesting. Another distinction is that levels do not replace - but include and shift as a complex dynamic, so they are not satisfied, but more incorporated. Also, while development is described as linear in the macro-societal it may appear non-linear in individual development, particularly if environmental conditions require this, but allowing for later regression.  The lack of evidence for prepotency in Maslow might be explained in the Gravesian levels. In essence - 'no man is an island'.

Which brings us back to the question, without a survivalist need why would one shift (or need to) assuming that one does not become aware of being at any 'level'. There is some new work being done on when and how shifts occur. So its the same - because it draws on/reflects all the other developmental theorists findings - but different because its research base is not only about the individual but also the environmental effects of the social-collective on the individual.  A social systems theory linked with psychology that is not sociology. Many unanswered questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graves&#8217; work on which the NVC article is based comes from a twenty plus year research project, which I understand initially began by examining Maslow&#8217;s principles. Graves&#8217; original hypothesis, which would have validated Maslow, did not seem to emerge from the data as expected, and as contemporaries they discussed this. There are some distinct differences, mostly that Graves&#8217; model is not a pyramid, but an open and expanding system, possibly containing each of the Maslowian needs at each level. Also Graves&#8217; work is limited to &#8216;adult&#8217; biopsychosocial systems - and while it reflects the childhood developmentalist models (Piaget), its not meant to overlap - which is what makes it so interesting. Another distinction is that levels do not replace - but include and shift as a complex dynamic, so they are not satisfied, but more incorporated. Also, while development is described as linear in the macro-societal it may appear non-linear in individual development, particularly if environmental conditions require this, but allowing for later regression.  The lack of evidence for prepotency in Maslow might be explained in the Gravesian levels. In essence - &#8216;no man is an island&#8217;.</p>
<p>Which brings us back to the question, without a survivalist need why would one shift (or need to) assuming that one does not become aware of being at any &#8216;level&#8217;. There is some new work being done on when and how shifts occur. So its the same - because it draws on/reflects all the other developmental theorists findings - but different because its research base is not only about the individual but also the environmental effects of the social-collective on the individual.  A social systems theory linked with psychology that is not sociology. Many unanswered questions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Integral Strategy by Elliot</title>
		<link>http://fcg.com.au/insights/archives/2004/09/05/integral-strategy/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the article and the one by Cowan and Todorovic I'd be interested to hear how individuals do move through each of the levels? Particularly moving from the first level since survival is key from a psychodynamic perspective, and so a need for power or being nurtured, or independence etc develops as a way to 'survive' in the context of the early childhood environment. Without some work and insight into one's own denials and the way in which one habitually acts in order to survive might one not search out particular perspectives in order to meet original needs, rather than 'realise' the value of these perspectives in and of themselves? I agree that the higher one moves the more conscious one becomes (as a person and presubably as an organisation), however I don't see how simply 'being' at one of the higher levels means one appreciates being at that level. I see elements of Maslow in here but I guess since I disagree with the notion that one 'satisfies' a need to move on to another 'need', I'd like to see how the lower levels are resolved in order to make each subsequent level valuable as an independent experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the article and the one by Cowan and Todorovic I&#8217;d be interested to hear how individuals do move through each of the levels? Particularly moving from the first level since survival is key from a psychodynamic perspective, and so a need for power or being nurtured, or independence etc develops as a way to &#8217;survive&#8217; in the context of the early childhood environment. Without some work and insight into one&#8217;s own denials and the way in which one habitually acts in order to survive might one not search out particular perspectives in order to meet original needs, rather than &#8216;realise&#8217; the value of these perspectives in and of themselves? I agree that the higher one moves the more conscious one becomes (as a person and presubably as an organisation), however I don&#8217;t see how simply &#8216;being&#8217; at one of the higher levels means one appreciates being at that level. I see elements of Maslow in here but I guess since I disagree with the notion that one &#8217;satisfies&#8217; a need to move on to another &#8216;need&#8217;, I&#8217;d like to see how the lower levels are resolved in order to make each subsequent level valuable as an independent experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Leadership Journeys by William Varey</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Varey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it necessary to go on a leadership journey to lead? 

I caught myself saying the other day that there are only two leadership traits that are important: tolerance for ambiguity and consistency of application. We want from our leaders leadership by example. Our leaders need to understand our value system and lead in a principled way. We want to know how we should act so as to survive.

We also want those same leaders to be able to be clear when there are conflicting dilemmas, understanding the questions and resolving them successfully - that's what leadership is for. Tolerance for ambiguity is what enables this.

As you both have elegantly said, because leadership is out in front, it requires authenticity in what we do and an inner judgement about that. No one else can do this for us (although they can lead us to it).

Personal leadership development does not then need to go far, but it does need to go deep enough to cope with being authentic and clear in conflict - to the level of the value system that a person needs to lead in.

When new challenges present themselves and the system changes or becomes more complex - we then need transformation up and not simply translation within. At that time the journey (rather than the travelling) begins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it necessary to go on a leadership journey to lead? </p>
<p>I caught myself saying the other day that there are only two leadership traits that are important: tolerance for ambiguity and consistency of application. We want from our leaders leadership by example. Our leaders need to understand our value system and lead in a principled way. We want to know how we should act so as to survive.</p>
<p>We also want those same leaders to be able to be clear when there are conflicting dilemmas, understanding the questions and resolving them successfully - that&#8217;s what leadership is for. Tolerance for ambiguity is what enables this.</p>
<p>As you both have elegantly said, because leadership is out in front, it requires authenticity in what we do and an inner judgement about that. No one else can do this for us (although they can lead us to it).</p>
<p>Personal leadership development does not then need to go far, but it does need to go deep enough to cope with being authentic and clear in conflict - to the level of the value system that a person needs to lead in.</p>
<p>When new challenges present themselves and the system changes or becomes more complex - we then need transformation up and not simply translation within. At that time the journey (rather than the travelling) begins.</p>
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